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xiao1985 · Jun 27, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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it's all part of economy...
though i think new aspect should be added to experiemnt before u buy... able to 'test' ocmbination free of charge or s th....

Carth` · Jun 27, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

I think the preview armour and dyes is a great idea, and you can leave the economy as it is now. This way the people who can't afford to experiment with dye mixing are happy, because they can do it for free. And the people who want dye to be worth something are happy, because it still is. The end result is you will have some more variety because people can see what a mix will look like on their armour, and think "ok, I need 2 of this colour and one of this, I will start saving".

Ariana Of Damia · Jun 28, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

That wont really change much anyway, people will make custom dyes and still sell them to other players to make money rather than give the recipie.

I think player driven prices are good

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Cirian · Jun 29, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Rikimaru

I've never seen a character with mixed black.

My mesmer had a full suit of black + blue + blue + green 15k rogue armour and it was very nice while I had it.

I like the previewer idea because the charts are useless, mixes have all sorts of different effects on the different armours. I don't know how easy a previewer is to implement or how useful it would be; often it takes me an hour of jogging around in a new colour to make my mind up if I like it or not

Black by itself isn't that hard to get, I've burned through enough of the stuff to know. What gets tricky is mixing it with various others in 3 or 4 dye combinations like that lovely dark blue my mesmer had. I think I burned 80k to find that colour. I'd like to do more colour research just to use on 1.5k armours, but anything involving wasting a lot of Black or Silver in failed attempts isn't worth thinking about unless I get another windfall.

wankey · Jun 29, 2006, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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1gp is too cheap, make it 200gp (black dye being say 500gp). Seriously, I've spent around 50k buying black dyes just so my guys can look 'cool'. Yet I'm still killed by so called "newbs" in servers with PvP armor and such.

Really a waste of time.

And economy based on dyes is just stupid

Vahn Roi · Jun 29, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Economy.

All dyes were 100g at one point, as people buy and sell, the prices change.

LifeInfusion · Jun 29, 2006, 02:19 AM // 02:19

1gp??? I think 500g (5*500g=2.5plat for all 5 pieces) would be more realistic. And the black/silver ought to be the same price as the other ones if it were to be sold at the merchant or any other NPC because people would obviously use the more expensive ones (some people buy black dye just because it is the most expensive, not because it is how they like their armor).

All in all, it would work, only if the prices were reasonable (not 1g or 5plat per vial). Right now black is insanely expensive, and that is only because of demand.

zealot of many faces · Aug 22, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by ID_Roto

Uhh... Dyes don't show who is "1337"... for all you know the person had a string of good luck while they were possibly in Pre-searing Tyria. Or wherever else they got it. Others basically bought it because its a rare find and they liked black. Personally I want to find a bloody-red color for all armors. The only one that's close to me seems like assassin armor with regular red because its already so dark.
I prefer the test before you dye type thing. As for 1gp... Well... whats the point in keeping dye if they were 1gp? All dyes you would find it would be still on the ground unless you really wanted to start a 1k collection thing.

Theres me 3gp worth of dye for ya...

ok if u have a necro then i have a great mix for ya WARNING ONLY WORKS ON NECRO ARMOR! the mix is blue,purple,green,dye remover i know it sounds crazy but try it and another WARNIG ONLY WORKS ON NECROMANCER ARMOR AND I DONT KNOW WHY!

Skyy High · Aug 22, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Dyes are the cheapest they have been since...well, since a week or so after the game came out (excusing the random market hiccoughs/bugs). Black dye is the only one that's remained stable and expensive; you can mix the others to your heart's content and make some nice colors, but please leave the one vanity dye left alone.

storm of daeth · Aug 22, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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dyes shouldnt be so expensive i mean there dyes honestly. They should cost 1g per but for the players that stock up dyes give like an ingame message whenever someone logs on like 3 weeks before they implement it saying that all dyes will cost 1g per starting so and so. So players have time to sell all their dyes since when all dyes cost 1gp per not every noob will be running around in black because it won't be so "LEET" it would just be another color nothing special.

lapsus · Aug 22, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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But not 1gp maybe 100 or so. I mean lets not kill their value. The costs of dye+armor costs=broke, unless your a farmer/runner. Black dye cost is outrageous, and in my opinion only the newer (see i didnt say noob) players set their sights on such a pit. Besides id rather have a darker green/or a more metaly silver then black.

xiaotsu · Aug 22, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

I didn't read every post in this thread, so don't bother flaming me, this is just my opinion, and it could be wrong.

What I think is that people agreeing with this are just too lazy to go get the money for dyes...I invested a LOT into dying my armor sets, and I would personally be ticked if they made the prices set at an unchanging price, especially THAT low...

Dr Strangelove · Aug 22, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Easier solution to the ridiculous costs of dying armor would be to add a dye preview. Dye charts on guildwiki are nice and all, but you never really know how most of the colors will look on your armor. For that, you'd need every set of armor dyed with every possible dye combination. THat's, uh,

*thinks back to stats class*

*Remembers skipping most of stats class to play GW*

a lot

Mars Dragonblade · Aug 22, 2006, 12:41 PM // 12:41

I would like this, but sadly it's goin to stay a wish.

Half Blood Prynce · Aug 22, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Pesronally, I liked the idea someone else suggested on a diffrent thread. Instead of making dye itself cheaper, just make it so that people don't waste 10k on a black dye, only to find they don't like the mix or how it apears on their armor. What should be is at the trader you pay a set amount, like 1k, and you then have as long as you wan to take dyes and use them on your armor, mix them around, whatever you want. These colors would not show up on your actual armor, but in the dye testing box, where you'd have a picture of your character like in your inventory. The dyes would never go inti your inventory, but would have to be mixed and applied in the dye testing box. As soon as you walked away from the trader, your time is up, and you'd have to pay another 1k to do it again.

Undivine · Aug 22, 2006, 01:34 PM // 13:34

I don't really see the problem with dyes being subject to the economy, with one exception. I am bothered by the fact that black dyes jumped in price, not because people want to actually use them, no. They jumped in price because people are buying up craploads of black dye to use as a trade medium since ectos have been fluctuating so much.

freekedoutfish · Aug 22, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Cirian

I must have spent 100's of plat on dye, mostly pouring it down the drain

I'd love to mess around a lot more with dye combos, but "research" is prohibative - in DAoC I used to make my own dyes and it was a piece of cake to mess around with colour combinations. So I wonder what people would think if I suggested...

1gp for all dyes at the dye trader!

Sane? yes / no? Personally I'd love to play with multi-black / other colour combos, but that's not happening at 10p per black! Even 100g for the cheapest colour really stacks up over an evening's mixing, argh!

I have to agree with those who disliked the idea. If any.

You need to have variations in the dye prices between red - black.

Otherwise everyone would buy black.

Black has status as a dye because its rare and its expensive, and you can usually assume those who have black armor have some experience behind them.

Unless they just got given it or sold something for stupid amount of money.

|pyro| · Aug 22, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Zeek Aran · Sep 23, 2006, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Tryll among others had perfect ways to bypass economy crashes, and the black being bought by everyone WOULD end after a certain amount of time. Reasons I agree with this or the idea of a testing room:

Why would monsters carry dye? Why would black be more expensive? Honestly, purples and colors as such would be harder to make for someone who mixes juices and the like to get dyes, so the current dye ways are unrealistic in every way. You shouldn't have to waste another 80k finding good combos on armor you already payed 60k-800k on. We need more individuality!

Another thing that would be a great idea is if ANET themselves showed every armor on every class with both genders with all 1, 2, 3, and 4 dye combos. But that won't happen.

In reply to stopping and admiring black dyed armor, I usually think "You wasted 40k to look like everyone else, good job you conforming bleepity bleep."

This is a great idea, but we all know nothing will happen. *sigh*

Truong · Sep 23, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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A dye previewer, maybe.

1G for all dyes, no.